Dogme and me

Dogme and Me

Dogme and me have been good friends for a while now, its just, like many other people, I didn’t know it.

I guess I first met Dogme when I did my Celta at International House Krakow, Poland in 2004. Gosh, 7 years ago now. Dogme came in the room when someone said “you don’t need a course book to teach, you can teach a brilliant EFL lesson with a stick and a stone and some dirt on the ground, in fact many people do”, they said. I was surprised …. over whelmed – would I ever know enough about the English Language to be able to do that? Would I find myself soon in a place with no resources? They stayed in my mind those sticks and stones.

Fast forward 6 years teaching in Poland and The Netherlands to an input session at my current work place, “We don’t need technology the session leader quipped, we don’t need books, we just need to listen to our students more, even better if our lessons go “off plan”. Sometimes I already do that I thought, but fearfully, feeling like a naughty child who might be caught out by her parents, fearing being accused of laziness by my boss or somehow accused of disobeying the rules. But I had been teaching learner-centred business classes for the last four years – had I been teaching Dogme all along?. What exactly is Dogme I thought?

Then I heard Chaz Pugliese talk at a conference about Jazz and Creativity. He said “sometimes we are more interested in the materials than in the students”. I thought, that’s what’s happening to me. I have become over loaded with materials and I am forgetting about the learners. Around the same time I heard a lecture given by Luke Meddings on my Delta course about Dogme. He said “listen and ask”.

I’m at a crossroads, I feel like I’m at a turning point. I’ve been off work for 6 weeks and I’m going back to teaching on Monday. I am ready for a new way of thinking , as Scott Thornbury and Luke Meddings  say in Teaching Unplugged “Dogme is more than simply a new set of techniques and procedures …” (goodness knows there are plenty of those in the EFL/ELT world – one could spend one’s whole life trying out different people’s “techniques and procedures”) but no Dogme is “more an attitude shift, a state of mind, a different way of being a teacher.” I know that at times I have had Dogme moments, which have ranged from spontaneously encouraging conversations, letting them run and then responding to emergent language in both group classes and one to one lessons, making specific lessons based on students personal interests. I have created on the spot lessons based on language emerging from a student’s problems (mentioned on Dale’s blog before) when one of my students came into class in tears because she had seen a photo of her famous footballer boyfriend on the front of a local newspaper with another man. The lesson that transpired from this was one of the best and most engaging lessons I have ever taught on modality and giving advice. It’s happened in other situations, as Phil mentioned, I have also had an amazing lesson on Saudi Arabian marriage traditions when one of my students gave a spontaneous presentation resulting from a conversation about love and the sea. The language which cropped up formed the basis of a whole week of lessons on marriage and different cultural traditions and relationships. Language for opinions, interrupting, softening, idioms, lexis, chunks and grammar emerged abounded and were recycled.

 This all sounds well and good. But for me it’s all about courage. Where do you get that from? That’s the key, courage to embrace the unknown. For me anything truly great in the world comes from embracing the unknown. Jazz music, poetry, great literature, dance, art, sculpture. No one ever knows where it is going to lead. Courage to have faith in one’s own instinct.

Scott Thornbury and Luke Meddings suggest starting from physical stimuli in lessons (anything you like – an empty plastic bottle, a pizza flyer picked up on the way to school) and seeing where it leads. Small details lead to greater things. Less is more. Having the courage to see this through is the key.

For me it all makes sense in theory but in practice? I have had a postcard on my wall for years now (I take it around and put in on the wall of every new home I have, believe me I’ve had many) of a road leading to nowhere much like the cover of “Teaching Unplugged”. Bruce Chatwin, Buddhism, accepting what is unknown – Its not an original idea.

Before I was a teacher I taught devised theatre working with individual actors, empowering them to create their own words and movement. My focus with my theatre company was always on the people in the room. I didn’t use pre-planned texts, or written plays. I always used the actors’ lives and experiences to create the work. That said we did often have a starting point, a stimuli, something small to get us going. Nothing has changed really. I also had a quote from a choreographer which I can’t remember now… something about the space itself being enough of a stimulus for creativity. Very Dogme.

So although I am ready for a new way of thinking I suppose its more that I am ready to have the courage to embrace what I have always known.  

Dogme has also enabled me to find a solution that has been bugging me for years. I have always felt uncomfortable about being part of the multi-billion pound industry that is ELT course books. I don’t want to be “implicit ” (Thornbury and Meddings. 2009:13) in the global industry, that is course books because I agree with Alistair Pennycook that “English language materials are never neutral… they are about the spread of essentially Western, capitalist, and neo- colonialist forms”. Not all course books are like this, the recent Global publication seems to embrace a less Euro centric cultural reference point but no one can please everyone and we come back to the fact that local language generated in the classroom, emerging from the natural flow of conversation, higgledy piggledy as life and language is, it must be the way to go because it both stimulates students and is directly useful for them.

So Dogme and me and going to become better friends from next Monday onwards.

Watch this space

Have courage.

Have a sense of humour in class.

Be interested in your students always.

Recycle: Don’t be afraid to do the simplest things like saying “ok, now write down everything you can remember from that conversation you have just had with your partner”.

Do process writing together in class. Don’t always set writing for homework.

Set up a reading group.

Have a grammar, a collocations dictionary and access to idioms at your fingertips in class to dip into when needed.

Don’t be afraid to say “ oh that’s very interesting, I’ll research that further and come back to you next lesson” if you have no idea what the answer to a question might be.

 Emi Slater

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15 Responses to Dogme and me

  1. dalecoulter says:

    I first met Emi in a DELTA input session and from that moment on we got on very well, ranting about teaching, moaning about the workload, exchanging tired and forlorn expressions across our group table at UCL London.

    I remember you striding through the door one evening into an input session, screaming “I did a Dogme lesson today, I did it, it was amazing, it just happened” or something along those lines. You’re really onto something there with having courage and trusting your instinct. There’s something that you taught me to do more, start trusting my own instinct more, listening to it more, even when it gets drowned out by the all the other voices screaming at you inside…

    Good luck with embracing the unknown and having the courage to do so.

    Dale

    • Emi Slater says:

      Thank you very much for your kind words.

      I strongly believe that if one trusts ones instincts and listens to ones inner voices then the answers to the questions will come naturally with anything in life. Teaching ELT is no different.

      The difficult part I find is the reflecting or defending or articulating about it. This is something which has been very inspiring in your blog and which I remember you being very good at on the DELTA.

      I guess the key part of Dogme is that reflecting and objectifying. I am yet to find the key to that part. Thank you for showing me where the door is!

      Emi.

  2. Great post, Emi and I can totally relate as I blogged about the same feeling— knowing “dogme” before knowing dogme.

    I think you’ve honed in on a very important point— courage and being at ease with the unknown. Some teachers gravitate that way easily, others less so, and courage is by all means a huge part of it. I think anyone taking the time to blog or tweet about their successes/challenges in class really does care about the “gift” they give their students. One of the fears of dogme, I think is that you don’t have a “material” gift, but an experiential one. And I believe wholeheartedly that it’s a more rewarding gift, but then it’s a question of negotiating that gift with students and hoping they’ll be receptive, and also being courageous and walking a bit out on that unknown limb.

    Best of luck for the semester ahead. Hope to hear how it goes for you.

    Cheers, Brad

    • Emi Slater says:

      Thank you very much ! This is my first blog experience so do I say things like “nice to meet you?”. I couldn’t agree more about the “material” gift. The question I keep asking myself is will my students feel hard done by if they don’t take away so many photocopied handouts but instead more of their own notes. I know instinctively and from experience that they will remember the language better if its from their own notes and personal and so on but I keep being scared somebody is going to complain. Lets see !

  3. phil says:

    Great post Emi.

    Take the plunge! I sweated buckets the first time I went fully Dogme. I really didn’t think it would work and I’ll never forget the look fo the students when I asked them discuss sthg in groups and the 50 questions like “why” “how?” “what?”. It was the first time they’d been free to speak, probably EVER. I think if you have faith and show that you’re confident in what you are doing they will follow. If you just say “talk” and then run and hide behind the door with a helmet on they mey get worried. There’s also nothing more likely to inhibit conversation than saying “now, today we’re going to talk about…”. Letting things develop and seizing the moment is the way to go.

    Going back to the sweat. I wouldn’t go back now. I reread the summaries of dogme theory in Luke and Scott’s book quite a lot and there is more there than in all the other 500 page books I have which just show end products. What you want is to understand and absord the principals and then do your own Dogme.

    Good luck and I look forward to more posts.

    Phil

    • Emi Slater says:

      That’s great to hear and its so nice to hear what other teachers are experiencing on a more regular basis. Yes, it’s nerve wracking. I keep telling myself to stick with it . Seizing the moment indeed – Carpe Dieum isn’t it ? I don ‘t feel I have read anything like enough about Dogme yet and am still to read some key stuff but I agree with you, what I have read so far has been gold dust.

      I see what you mean entirely about just letting things naturally develop rather than saying “OK lets talk about …”. Do you also do more conventional material in class as well or are you totally Dogme?!

      Today I was in the classroom just before an afternoon business class and for some bizarre reason I asked one of the students if they liked wine. I had planned a lesson on emailing !! – suffice to say I haven’t had the courage to do dogme all the time yet, just more and more.
      I honestly cannot remember why the wine thing came out of my mouth – something to do with Italy – the student was Italian. Then transpired a very natural conversation about wine, one student was from Prossecco country and so on. Now I felt it was a good conversation and it could have developed into a wonderful lesson about small talk, socializing in business contexts and so on. However I sort of lost courage (or was I just being sensible as I knew there was some excellent lexis in In Company Intermediate which I would like to pull out before teaching such a lesson) and asked them if they would like a lesson about wine language tomorrow and they all enthusiastically said yes. What would you have done in this situation ? I’d love to hear what anyone else reading this would have done ?

  4. Anthony Gaughan says:

    This sent shivers down my spine as I read it because I have just written basically the same thing for the IATEFL TDSIG Newsletter (due out any time soon!) Same kind of experiences; different voices: dialogue – dogme in a nutshell, perhaps?

    When it is out, I hope to be allowed to post the text of the article as a post on my blog, and I’ll send you the link too. as Brad (and Candy van Olst) and others have said: Dogme seems to “communicate before it is understood” (with apologies to T.S. Eliot) ;-)

    Thank you for this wonderfully voiceful post (to coin a word, hopefully you get what I mean!)

    • Emi Slater says:

      Many thanks. Please yes, the link to your newsletter article would be great.
      This is indeed a whole new world and yet one I feel I was always part of. Absolutely feel that Dogme has communicated with me before I have understood it and

      ” communication is two-sided – vital and profound communication makes demands also on those who are to receive it… demands in the sense of concentration, of genuine effort to receive what is being communicated.” !
      Roger Sessions

      I am certainly trying to lay myself open to it but feel I have let myself down a bit this week. Tiredness ?

  5. I was impressed with this post as well. It articulates exactly that teaching, call it dogme or what have you, is about, well, teaching, not about the crutches you use to get you through a lesson.

    My most successful language lessons (that I take, not just give) are with groups of students who agree to speak only in the target language and a teacher who plays the role as informant. The teacher just shows up, the students drive the lesson. This works well when students want to learn the language (as opposed to its revolving around a teacher who wants to teach it; the desire to learn being much more powerful than a desire to teach).

    My second great impression from this post is where you suggest that it doesn’t hurt to have some tools handy, some chalk perhaps, or a stick or a stone or some dirt on the ground. Or a computer perhaps, or an internet connection. Maybe you meet your students in Skype or in Second Life. The point is, wherever you meet them, you talk, you communicate, you learn about each other while learning the language. The technology, be it sticks and stones or YouTube videos, is beside the point.

    • Emi Slater says:

      Thank you. I couldn’t agree more. I almost feel I am saying the wrong thing on this blog if i “admit” to using the course book at all or any other materials, internet, sticks, stones etc which I know is silly because everyone seems to agree about that. We all teach as we teach, there is no perfect way .

      That’s why its so personal and so much about what the students want to learn not about what we want to teach as you so rightly say. I feel that at the moment almost 90% is about creating the right conditions. The only problem is what happens if the student’s don’t want to learn ? or in fact be there at all ?

      I would love to hear your response to what I said in my reply to Phil about the potential lesson on wine and socializing.

  6. dalecoulter says:

    Thank you everyone for your contributions. I’ll make sure Emi gets to look at them as soon as possible so she can reply personally.

    In the meantime I’d like to offer a few thoughts.

    @ Vance. Pleasure to see a comment from you and thanks for dropping by. You know last night I was out with a group of Dutch, Russian, American, Belgium and Spanish people all learning Italian from on of my ex-colleagues. They had been studying for little over three weeks but had already reached a level far higher than I had after my first three months. The teacher was exactly like you said. He acted as the informant, far away but close enough to be called upon if needed. It really struck me, detached, in neither the position of the student nor the teacher, that teaching is much more of a mindset and and an atmosphere created in a room between people. One Belgium girl said it took her a while to get used to the style, because she was used to “here are 5 words, now learn them quick quick quick, OK, now use them quick quick quick!” but once used to it learnt so much, and you could hear from her Italian!

    This made me think of Brad’s comment, that Dogme needs to be negotiated with students in hope that they’ll be receptive. To put yourself on the line, to say “this is how I teach, this is how I believe you learn” to a gifted, intelligent group of people takes courage. In fact, looking back on the best months I’ve had with groups, those in which I started the month with a “this is who I am, this is how I do” chat were much more productive. I’ve also been guilty of just walking into the classroom and expecting everyone to be receptive, like some sort of silent agreement.

    @ Anthony Voiceful… let’s put it in circulation, say it and write it as much as possible then hopefully it’ll turn up in the next dictionary and you’ll have coined a word (I’ve added it to my spell check by the way).

    Dale

  7. phil says:

    Hi Dale,

    Yep. I know the “quick quick quick” well. I feel like a machine sometimes just rushing through handouts because they have to be done and finished at then at the end of the class you say “I’ve done the handouts.

    The result? Nobody learned anything and everyone hates English class even more.

    Everything I understand about Language Learning theory contradicts this approach so why to schools/unis insist on doing it? Perhaps so they can look like they give lots of info but are unconcerned about if students learn anything??

    I do love the student FB:

    “I loved the class”
    “I like talking to my friends about interesting things”
    “I prefer it when we talk about the subjects”

    Nobody ever said “I love it when we complete an entire chapter”

    Phil

  8. dalecoulter says:

    Although funnily enough I see students comparing course books and saying “we’ve done this chapter, we’ve not done this one yet”… interesting that they use do instead of learn ; ) and chapter instead of language.

    I remember the quick quick quick method from secondary school. I just switched off when my German teacher told me to learn 10 words in 30 seconds. Although I didn’t question it, I just accepted that’s the way the world worked.

    Dale

    • Emi Slater says:

      Yeah absolutely, I remember all those French “quick, quick, quick” lists from school. To this day I can only remember fenetre, chat and chien. Words which I use on a regular basis of course.

  9. phil says:

    In China the teachers would say “learn 30 words tonight” and they would actually learn all of them by heart. They didn’t understand many though. The foreigners thought this was crazy and used to say they were becoming parrots form just repeating words. BUT it shows that some countries have a more highly trained ability for memorisation.

    I hear “do” a lot too. People in London used to say “I dun Yoga, Salsa and….” For many of use we try something and tick it off. There aren’t many people who just stick to one thing probably cos there is always a new fad you have to do. Same in EFL. Students say “we dun Present Perfect”. Can they use it though? This idea of ‘dun’ is probably a teacher presentation and some gap fills and VOILA it’s done. Next please!

    Phil

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